If the “Ice Cover on Greenland has melted” why is this picture today showing a “SNOW covered base station”?

Posted: July 26, 2012 in Uncategorized

There seems to be quite a disagreement between NASA’s posted satellite pictures showing the ice/snow cover completely gone off the surface of Greenland and the actual “on the ground” live webcam shots from a base station that operates year round by REAL scientists who are monitoring the snow and ice cover!

See for yourself……………… .Have the Global Warmers gone way too far this time?

Paging AP’s Seth Borenstein – Hey Seth, where’s the beef?

I sent some notes via Twitter yesterday and today to veterinarian turned NASA science writer Maria-Jose Vinas (who wrote yesterday’s self contradicting piece from NASA on Greenland) and AP’s Seth Borenstein about his article proclaiming the “sudden massive melt” in Greenland, citing Keegan et al. (2011):

From NEEM (a station with lower elevation than the Summit station)”

“A core from the CO2 firn-air sampling site at NEEM was retrieved in July 2009, and the physical properties of the firn have been analyzed. In the 81m of analyzed firn core, two regions containing ice layers were identified at depths of 29m and 46m. Isotopic analysis provides a depth-age scale that dates these layers to be from 1935 and 1879, respectively. These years were in the two warmest decades of the instrumental temperature record for Greenland.


And of course I got no reply. But in the meantime. Dr. Roger Pielke Senior had similar thoughts about this hype from NASA and Borenstein, and points us to the Summit Station Webcam:

Webcam view today of the Greenland Ice Cap Summit Station – click for live view

Viewing that image of “massive melt”, it looks like a Clara Peller moment for Seth. Hey Seth, where’s the beef?

  1. Robert Murphy says:

    “the actual MASA” should obviously be “NASA”. Haven’t had my coffee yet. 🙂

  2. Robert Murphy says:

    If you read the release from NASA you would have realized that they never said all the snow/ice melted in the red/pink areas of their picture. What those areas represent are places where the surface ice melted.

    “Measurements from three satellites showed that on July 8, about 40 percent of the ice sheet had undergone thawing at or near the surface. In just a few days, the melting had dramatically accelerated and an estimated 97 percent of the ice sheet surface had thawed by July 12…

    For several days this month, Greenland’s surface ice cover melted over a larger area than at any time in more than 30 years of satellite observations. Nearly the entire ice cover of Greenland, from its thin, low-lying coastal edges to its two-mile-thick center, experienced some degree of melting at its surface, according to measurements from three independent satellites analyzed by NASA and university scientists.

    On average in the summer, about half of the surface of Greenland’s ice sheet naturally melts. At high elevations, most of that melt water quickly refreezes in place. Near the coast, some of the melt water is retained by the ice sheet and the rest is lost to the ocean. But this year the extent of ice melting at or near the surface jumped dramatically. According to satellite data, an estimated 97 percent of the ice sheet surface thawed at some point in mid-July.”


    I agree that some of the popular press releases were not clear on this, but it would behoove you to read the actual MASA press release before making accusations.

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